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	<description>Where Did the Universe Come From?    Was it started by… God?</description>
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		<title>Comment on Gödel&#8217;s Incompleteness: The #1 Mathematical Breakthrough of the 20th Century by Perry Marshall</title>
		<link>http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/blog/incompleteness/comment-page-2/#comment-4947</link>
		<dc:creator>Perry Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 05:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your idea has a superficial resemblance to Shannon's model. It's a nice try.

1) This format is taken straight out of a standard digital engineering communications textbook, in the first chapter where codes are universally defined.

2) Yes, ALL man-made codes follow this criteria. As does DNA.

3) #8 refers to the fact that real codes have more than one symbolic layer, in this case two. Most codes and languages have far more than 2 layers. Even Morse Code has 2 layers. It has dots and dashes (layer 1) and combinations of dots or dashes that form letters (layer 2).

A code with only one layer is too simple to be of much use to anyone. You could define a code where you map greek letters to english letters, ie a = alpha, b = beta and so on but all you did was substitute one letter for another.

I am using an extremely precise definition of code so that there is zero ambiguity about anything I say. Common everyday usage of the word code might be slightly less formal than mine but 95% of the time the word code in normal English usage is identical to my definition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your idea has a superficial resemblance to Shannon&#8217;s model. It&#8217;s a nice try.</p>
<p>1) This format is taken straight out of a standard digital engineering communications textbook, in the first chapter where codes are universally defined.</p>
<p>2) Yes, ALL man-made codes follow this criteria. As does DNA.</p>
<p>3) #8 refers to the fact that real codes have more than one symbolic layer, in this case two. Most codes and languages have far more than 2 layers. Even Morse Code has 2 layers. It has dots and dashes (layer 1) and combinations of dots or dashes that form letters (layer 2).</p>
<p>A code with only one layer is too simple to be of much use to anyone. You could define a code where you map greek letters to english letters, ie a = alpha, b = beta and so on but all you did was substitute one letter for another.</p>
<p>I am using an extremely precise definition of code so that there is zero ambiguity about anything I say. Common everyday usage of the word code might be slightly less formal than mine but 95% of the time the word code in normal English usage is identical to my definition.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Gödel&#8217;s Incompleteness: The #1 Mathematical Breakthrough of the 20th Century by benito-san</title>
		<link>http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/blog/incompleteness/comment-page-2/#comment-4945</link>
		<dc:creator>benito-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 04:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well thank you for responding so promptly, but you didn't even say whether you thought my idea had any merit! it follows Shannon's model, that's gotta count for something right? :)

I've looked at that "/blog/solve" challenge before and I'd be up for giving it a shot (eventually hehehe) but I have a few questions about it that I think are kind of important:

1) did you assemble this list yourself, or is this a standardized form in your field of work?

2) is it safe to assume that all man-made codes should (or must) be able to follow this list of criteria?

3) Criterion 8 defines the term "character" but doesn't apply it to anything, and the term doesn't appear in the rest of the list, which is confusing... and it's not very difficult to imagine a simple code in which this step would be unnecessary...

obviously I'm just a layperson when it comes to your area(s) of expertise.... in the context of these blogs, the word "code" to me means simply ANY method of communication or information exchange, even stuff like bee waggles which you've acknowledged but understandably disqualified from the challenge as being products of an underlying code (DNA)... so my final question is, when Perry Marshall uses the word "code," am I misinterpreting it? :)

thanks for your time,
Ben</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well thank you for responding so promptly, but you didn&#8217;t even say whether you thought my idea had any merit! it follows Shannon&#8217;s model, that&#8217;s gotta count for something right? <img src='http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve looked at that &#8220;/blog/solve&#8221; challenge before and I&#8217;d be up for giving it a shot (eventually hehehe) but I have a few questions about it that I think are kind of important:</p>
<p>1) did you assemble this list yourself, or is this a standardized form in your field of work?</p>
<p>2) is it safe to assume that all man-made codes should (or must) be able to follow this list of criteria?</p>
<p>3) Criterion 8 defines the term &#8220;character&#8221; but doesn&#8217;t apply it to anything, and the term doesn&#8217;t appear in the rest of the list, which is confusing&#8230; and it&#8217;s not very difficult to imagine a simple code in which this step would be unnecessary&#8230;</p>
<p>obviously I&#8217;m just a layperson when it comes to your area(s) of expertise&#8230;. in the context of these blogs, the word &#8220;code&#8221; to me means simply ANY method of communication or information exchange, even stuff like bee waggles which you&#8217;ve acknowledged but understandably disqualified from the challenge as being products of an underlying code (DNA)&#8230; so my final question is, when Perry Marshall uses the word &#8220;code,&#8221; am I misinterpreting it? <img src='http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>thanks for your time,<br />
Ben</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;If you can read this sentence, I can prove God exists&#8221; by beritk</title>
		<link>http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/blog/prove-god-exists/comment-page-15/#comment-4944</link>
		<dc:creator>beritk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Nick, 

Do you know, that according to Hebr. 7:25 and I know it is true, Jesus are both leading you to God and praying with you when you pray, and for you. He is the one who lead you to this site today.

You seem to be an honest man.. it is written the one who seach will find, the one who knocks ot him will it be opened. 

There is a book written by Dr. in Genetic J.C Sanford called Genetic Entropy wich you might find interesting, There is a study conducted by Kimura, leading to what is called Kimuras curve. There is actually a lot.. It is true that many thing is happening on this planet today.. however it is still true that what we see is that everything must be hold together by an higher order else it will go toward destruction. 

In the Bible, rev. 3:18 Jesus tells people to ask for eyesalve to see. He is the one who will open our eyes so we understand, many see and dont dare to see but remember His prayers encircles you when you pray, He loves you and will pull you true.. Verily it is written if you do these things you shall never fail..

BeritK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Nick, </p>
<p>Do you know, that according to Hebr. 7:25 and I know it is true, Jesus are both leading you to God and praying with you when you pray, and for you. He is the one who lead you to this site today.</p>
<p>You seem to be an honest man.. it is written the one who seach will find, the one who knocks ot him will it be opened. </p>
<p>There is a book written by Dr. in Genetic J.C Sanford called Genetic Entropy wich you might find interesting, There is a study conducted by Kimura, leading to what is called Kimuras curve. There is actually a lot.. It is true that many thing is happening on this planet today.. however it is still true that what we see is that everything must be hold together by an higher order else it will go toward destruction. </p>
<p>In the Bible, rev. 3:18 Jesus tells people to ask for eyesalve to see. He is the one who will open our eyes so we understand, many see and dont dare to see but remember His prayers encircles you when you pray, He loves you and will pull you true.. Verily it is written if you do these things you shall never fail..</p>
<p>BeritK</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;If you can read this sentence, I can prove God exists&#8221; by JonathanWagner</title>
		<link>http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/blog/prove-god-exists/comment-page-15/#comment-4943</link>
		<dc:creator>JonathanWagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 05:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me put your argument into a context. If you put enough monkeys into a room with a pen and ink eventually, given enough time, they would write Shakespeare.

The whole given enough time argument is fallacious, because it is not true. In the above argument to even give it a probability of truthfulness the monkeys would have to live forever, which is an impossibility. There is such a thing as statistical impossibility.

You're wrong, it is 0% because in order for it not to be 0% you would have to make all kinds of impossible assumptions to justify it. This is not to mention I don't think you have actually read his arguments.

I also want to point out that even if we take everything scientists to say to be true, the statistic probability (that you are trying to justify) for random mutations creating information wouldn't take millions, or billions, or trillions, it would take Googles of years. I assume Googles upon Googles of years because I know there isn't a single computer program that has used complete randomness to generate anything useful over any know computational cycles.

I usually wouldn't reply to something like this but I am really sick of the whole statistical probability given enough time argument that people just simply accept as the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me put your argument into a context. If you put enough monkeys into a room with a pen and ink eventually, given enough time, they would write Shakespeare.</p>
<p>The whole given enough time argument is fallacious, because it is not true. In the above argument to even give it a probability of truthfulness the monkeys would have to live forever, which is an impossibility. There is such a thing as statistical impossibility.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re wrong, it is 0% because in order for it not to be 0% you would have to make all kinds of impossible assumptions to justify it. This is not to mention I don&#8217;t think you have actually read his arguments.</p>
<p>I also want to point out that even if we take everything scientists to say to be true, the statistic probability (that you are trying to justify) for random mutations creating information wouldn&#8217;t take millions, or billions, or trillions, it would take Googles of years. I assume Googles upon Googles of years because I know there isn&#8217;t a single computer program that has used complete randomness to generate anything useful over any know computational cycles.</p>
<p>I usually wouldn&#8217;t reply to something like this but I am really sick of the whole statistical probability given enough time argument that people just simply accept as the truth.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Gödel&#8217;s Incompleteness: The #1 Mathematical Breakthrough of the 20th Century by Perry Marshall</title>
		<link>http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/blog/incompleteness/comment-page-2/#comment-4942</link>
		<dc:creator>Perry Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 03:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go to www.cosmicfingerprints.com/blog/solve. There is a PDF form where you can attempt to formally demonstrate that the system you have just described is a formal communication system, with encoding / decoding tables, symbolic characters etc. It's essentially fill-in-the-blanks, based on Bernard Sklar's textbook on engineering communication theory. 

Fill in the form and submit it and I'll post it. Then everyone here can see whether what you have just said makes sense or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go to <a href="http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/blog/solve" rel="nofollow">http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/blog/solve</a>. There is a PDF form where you can attempt to formally demonstrate that the system you have just described is a formal communication system, with encoding / decoding tables, symbolic characters etc. It&#8217;s essentially fill-in-the-blanks, based on Bernard Sklar&#8217;s textbook on engineering communication theory. </p>
<p>Fill in the form and submit it and I&#8217;ll post it. Then everyone here can see whether what you have just said makes sense or not.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;If you can read this sentence, I can prove God exists&#8221; by Perry Marshall</title>
		<link>http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/blog/prove-god-exists/comment-page-15/#comment-4941</link>
		<dc:creator>Perry Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Aug 2010 03:49:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have not made a single factual statement that can even be debated. Please come forward with some real statistics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have not made a single factual statement that can even be debated. Please come forward with some real statistics.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Gödel&#8217;s Incompleteness: The #1 Mathematical Breakthrough of the 20th Century by benito-san</title>
		<link>http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/blog/incompleteness/comment-page-2/#comment-4940</link>
		<dc:creator>benito-san</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 19:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alright just delete my other "awaiting moderation" posts from a month or two ago, your entire argument across all of these blogs boils down to this:

"Show me a code that’s not designed. All you need is one."

positively charged ion (encoder) -&gt; photon (message) -&gt; negatively charged ion (decoder)

either I'm right or I'm wrong about this, given your expertise it should take all of 1 minute for you to respond to this please</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alright just delete my other &#8220;awaiting moderation&#8221; posts from a month or two ago, your entire argument across all of these blogs boils down to this:</p>
<p>&#8220;Show me a code that’s not designed. All you need is one.&#8221;</p>
<p>positively charged ion (encoder) -&gt; photon (message) -&gt; negatively charged ion (decoder)</p>
<p>either I&#8217;m right or I&#8217;m wrong about this, given your expertise it should take all of 1 minute for you to respond to this please</p>
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		<title>Comment on Testable Hypothesis for Intelligent Design, Part 1 by GMEstes1</title>
		<link>http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/blog/testable-hypothesis-id-1/comment-page-1/#comment-4939</link>
		<dc:creator>GMEstes1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2010 02:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent reply!
Do your own thinking but offer scientific proof !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent reply!<br />
Do your own thinking but offer scientific proof !</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;If you can read this sentence, I can prove God exists&#8221; by NickV</title>
		<link>http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/blog/prove-god-exists/comment-page-15/#comment-4938</link>
		<dc:creator>NickV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr Marshall,

about that point, what I think is, you don't really have to try it out, since it's only statistics, the most important thing I'm pointing out is the probability of getting a potentialy naturaly selected Genome through random mutations isn't of 0%.
I didn't study DNA enough to make the maths come out, but I'm pretty sure of what I'm saying here,
Even though once again, taken one only sentence and randomly mutating it generation by generation, the odds are very low, but it would be ilogical to say the possibility isn't there

The point I'm trying to make next to that, is that these chances aren't that low if you consider the event over enough individuals and time.
take 10 000 years, and a relatively populated spicies, and you have a pretty good probability of getting at least one of the good kind of mutation through the random method, with is pretty much what really happened on this planet with a lot of those spicies.


I Still hope I'd have the chance to debate with you.

Take good care of yourself


Nick Verger</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr Marshall,</p>
<p>about that point, what I think is, you don&#8217;t really have to try it out, since it&#8217;s only statistics, the most important thing I&#8217;m pointing out is the probability of getting a potentialy naturaly selected Genome through random mutations isn&#8217;t of 0%.<br />
I didn&#8217;t study DNA enough to make the maths come out, but I&#8217;m pretty sure of what I&#8217;m saying here,<br />
Even though once again, taken one only sentence and randomly mutating it generation by generation, the odds are very low, but it would be ilogical to say the possibility isn&#8217;t there</p>
<p>The point I&#8217;m trying to make next to that, is that these chances aren&#8217;t that low if you consider the event over enough individuals and time.<br />
take 10 000 years, and a relatively populated spicies, and you have a pretty good probability of getting at least one of the good kind of mutation through the random method, with is pretty much what really happened on this planet with a lot of those spicies.</p>
<p>I Still hope I&#8217;d have the chance to debate with you.</p>
<p>Take good care of yourself</p>
<p>Nick Verger</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Closer Look at Genesis 1 by Perry Marshall</title>
		<link>http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/blog/genesis1/comment-page-2/#comment-4936</link>
		<dc:creator>Perry Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 15:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CS Lewis said something sort of like this, in his book Mere Christianity: "If there is anything the universe teaches about God, it's that (1) God is an artist of enormous talent, and (2) he is no friend to man."

Yes, we live in a beautiful yet hostile world, one where everything eventually becomes food for something else. We are constantly faced with questions about pain and suffering.

Christian theology does not flinch in the face of this. Read the book of Job. Job asks why he suffers. God says, "I'll be happy to answer that. First answer me this. Where were you when I formed the mountains.....?"

We would be perfectly justified in assuming that God does not care about humans if God was content to let a deistic universe take its course. 

But the God I know did not check out on the 7th day. (BTW we are living in the 7th day now - there is no statement "and there was evening and morning, a 7th day" in Genesis 1.) God became man and lived and suffered with us. The answer to your question is found in the cross.

There's a lot of things in the world that SUCK. I totally get that. In Luke 7, John the Baptist, Jesus' cousin and the greatest prophet of his age, was in prison, in line to get beheaded. John has serious doubts about Jesus, based on all that's happened. He sends a messenger to ask Jesus a question:

 18John's disciples told him about all these things. Calling two of them, 19he sent them to the Lord to ask, "Are you the one who was to come, or should we expect someone else?"

 20When the men came to Jesus, they said, "John the Baptist sent us to you to ask, 'Are you the one who was to come, or should we expect someone else?' "

 21At that very time Jesus cured many who had diseases, sicknesses and evil spirits, and gave sight to many who were blind. 22So he replied to the messengers, "Go back and report to John what you have seen and heard: The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy[b] are cured, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is preached to the poor. 23Blessed is the man who does not fall away on account of me."

 24After John's messengers left, Jesus began to speak to the crowd about John: "What did you go out into the desert to see? A reed swayed by the wind? 25If not, what did you go out to see? A man dressed in fine clothes? No, those who wear expensive clothes and indulge in luxury are in palaces. 26But what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet. 27This is the one about whom it is written:
   " 'I will send my messenger ahead of you,
      who will prepare your way before you.'[c] 28I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John; yet the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he."

Jerome, you rightly said:
&lt;strong&gt;
No amount of reasoning can elude the fact that the universe is unjust. The strong prey upon the week and innocent. &lt;/strong&gt;

BINGO. 

The fact that you KNOW in your heart that this is wrong, is proof that you are a spiritual being. That this world is not truly your home, any more than it was John's home. That you long for the kingdom of God. This longing you feel will never go away. 

And you know what? If you're thirsty, it doesn't PROVE that water exists. But it certainly suggests that it might be available.... somewhere.

I salute you and encourage you in your quest for the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CS Lewis said something sort of like this, in his book Mere Christianity: &#8220;If there is anything the universe teaches about God, it&#8217;s that (1) God is an artist of enormous talent, and (2) he is no friend to man.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, we live in a beautiful yet hostile world, one where everything eventually becomes food for something else. We are constantly faced with questions about pain and suffering.</p>
<p>Christian theology does not flinch in the face of this. Read the book of Job. Job asks why he suffers. God says, &#8220;I&#8217;ll be happy to answer that. First answer me this. Where were you when I formed the mountains&#8230;..?&#8221;</p>
<p>We would be perfectly justified in assuming that God does not care about humans if God was content to let a deistic universe take its course. </p>
<p>But the God I know did not check out on the 7th day. (BTW we are living in the 7th day now - there is no statement &#8220;and there was evening and morning, a 7th day&#8221; in Genesis 1.) God became man and lived and suffered with us. The answer to your question is found in the cross.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot of things in the world that SUCK. I totally get that. In Luke 7, John the Baptist, Jesus&#8217; cousin and the greatest prophet of his age, was in prison, in line to get beheaded. John has serious doubts about Jesus, based on all that&#8217;s happened. He sends a messenger to ask Jesus a question:</p>
<p> 18John&#8217;s disciples told him about all these things. Calling two of them, 19he sent them to the Lord to ask, &#8220;Are you the one who was to come, or should we expect someone else?&#8221;</p>
<p> 20When the men came to Jesus, they said, &#8220;John the Baptist sent us to you to ask, &#8216;Are you the one who was to come, or should we expect someone else?&#8217; &#8221;</p>
<p> 21At that very time Jesus cured many who had diseases, sicknesses and evil spirits, and gave sight to many who were blind. 22So he replied to the messengers, &#8220;Go back and report to John what you have seen and heard: The blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy[b] are cured, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is preached to the poor. 23Blessed is the man who does not fall away on account of me.&#8221;</p>
<p> 24After John&#8217;s messengers left, Jesus began to speak to the crowd about John: &#8220;What did you go out into the desert to see? A reed swayed by the wind? 25If not, what did you go out to see? A man dressed in fine clothes? No, those who wear expensive clothes and indulge in luxury are in palaces. 26But what did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet. 27This is the one about whom it is written:<br />
   &#8221; &#8216;I will send my messenger ahead of you,<br />
      who will prepare your way before you.&#8217;[c] 28I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John; yet the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jerome, you rightly said:<br />
<strong><br />
No amount of reasoning can elude the fact that the universe is unjust. The strong prey upon the week and innocent. </strong></p>
<p>BINGO. </p>
<p>The fact that you KNOW in your heart that this is wrong, is proof that you are a spiritual being. That this world is not truly your home, any more than it was John&#8217;s home. That you long for the kingdom of God. This longing you feel will never go away. </p>
<p>And you know what? If you&#8217;re thirsty, it doesn&#8217;t PROVE that water exists. But it certainly suggests that it might be available&#8230;. somewhere.</p>
<p>I salute you and encourage you in your quest for the truth.</p>
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