Evolution: The Untold Story, Part 1

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Paradise Holding says:
March 14, 2012 at 2:45 pm

Hello- you have not addressed anything as beginning. You have taken what is and applied it to the end result. Beer, wine ,and opioids were readily available 6000 years ago. Faith is belief based while reason is knowledged. Death is terminated (cellular activity) 24 hours after the body stops breathing.

Old Git Tom says:
March 19, 2012 at 3:57 am

Mr(?) Holding,

many people make the mistake that there is some clear division b/ween belief/faith on one side, & certain knowledge on the other. There is only a very foggy, un-signposted border!

Science is mathematics-based. Centuries ago, scholars recognized that math requires trust/belief in ‘postulates’ – basics, things that are themselves beyond proof.

Empirical, experimental proofs? Same problem, long recognized. What we ‘perceive’ is not some ‘reality’, but mysteriously-generated impression-data in our heads.

Certainly some knowledge is more reliable than other kinds, but for that we usually apply the test of consistency. Does the evidence stack up, or contradict itself? But that only leaves us with degrees of probability in key areas. OGT

perrari says:
March 26, 2012 at 8:13 pm

Tom, I agree there is no universally accepted ‘certain knowledge’. One may say 1 + 1 equals 2, but that is not always true in all circumstances. However that does not mean that perfect, certain knowledge does not exist.
If God exists then perfect knowledge exists.
Man has 4 basic defects that prevent him from acquiring perfect knowledge by his own endeavors.

However if perfect knowledge is REVEALED to him from a perfect source then he can know things beyond all doubt. He may not be able to convince others of the knowledge that he has received, but he can try to convince others to accept the process by which the knowledge was revealed to him.
Amongst other things it requires faith, humility, patience, determination, a competent teacher and an open mind, and then each individual who accepts the process can know for certain what is true, as the Lord will reveal the truth to him or her.
Empirical, rational, experimental, logical attempts to find the Absolute Truth will fail. But the revelation of the Absolute Truth Himself to an individual removes all doubts instantly and permanently.
Such lucky souls who have these experiences and realizations tend not to shout their experiences on facebook and twitter, but reveal them only to serious and mature seekers after being satisfied by the persons sincerity and discretion.
As far as I know, this is the only way to know anything for sure in this world of imperfect senses and illusion.

Please try it.

Dennis says:
January 26, 2013 at 2:14 pm

Dear Perry

I accept that DNA is information and your beliefs are okay, except for your time element. You don’t deal with three elements that the Bible is clear about. The first being, death came as a result of sin, the disobedience of Adam and Eve. Therefore man existed before there was any death. Second, the genealogies of the Bible give us approximate dates for the flood, and even for creation itself. it is somewhere in the range of 6000-10,000 years, and closer to six, certainly not millions of years. Third, the creation account in Genesis supports this with six days being mentioned as the length of time for the initial structure and creatures to originate. This is backed up by the creation of plants on the third “day” with the creation of the sun (moon and stars, at least)on the fourth day. Without the sun, there would be no photosynthesis and therefore to place millions,thousands,or even hundreds of years of evolution into this interval is totally unacceptable.
Now you don’t have to believe the creation account as fact, but you can’t call yourself a “Bible Believer” if you don’t.
I do believe that this planet originated approximately 6-10 thousand years ago. This, of course, does not negate the possibility of punctuated programed equilibrium-type evolution as you present it, according to predetermined algorithms. It just means that under certain conditions evolution would progress more rapidly, as for example, in a world-wide catastrophic climate changing event, such as a world-wide flood as documented in the Bible. Of course, I expect that you have considered this. So please enlighten me.

Dennis says:
February 4, 2013 at 5:28 pm

Dear Perry

your algorithmic control on evolution makes sense, but how exactly does one species become another? Variation is observable, but a macro-evolution mechanism has not been demonstrated so far and may not be present in the algorithms. Corn is still corn!

BTW, I’ve read your Genesis exegesis. Could be, but I think not. Where is the incorruptible body of Jesus Christ right now? Where is Heaven? Where is hell?

Are they symbolic?

Old Git Tom says:
February 15, 2013 at 3:00 pm

Dennis,
Darwinism has no coherent explanation for speciation’, or as I (& probably Perry Marshall) would prefer to put it, the appearance of completely new designs of living things. The answer to this is a large mystery, the mystery of creation.
Without scratching our heads too much, we can ask questions to which no-one can provide answers. The trick of science is to address problems to which answers can be found. But as I’ve said before, even science demands faith. The mathematics that so much science is based on, demands faith in the ‘reality’ of numbers that exist nowhere outside human minds.

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