Testable Hypothesis for Intelligent Design, Part 1

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Raguraman says:
May 18, 2010 at 11:25 am

Perry,

Fantastic. The Intelligent Designer concept (!?!) is really a “Theory of Biological Relativity” as that of Einstein’s Theory of (Physical) Relativity. Your threading on the DNA design is appreciable. Since the days of intelligence (!) the cosmos before us is very complicated. But scientists (including me – a Professor in Entomology) hardly belive that The Master Mind is obscure. Although a scientist I am deeply involved in Hindu’s Spritual Philosophy. The philosophy is so simple that organism + environment + Its response to animate / inaminate objects are imprinted in (probably in DNA codons) for a new form / species, and thus new generations in a presently known complicated biota. Revealing the secrets is possible when the ‘revealer’ and ‘receiver’ are one and same (say of same wave length) as to cut the diamonds with diamonds only. The mutation algorithm is acceptable but the theory on why is a boggling. I am sure that the concept of Intelligent Designer do exist but to my mind the ‘mind’ of sharply focused indididual who has the SELF-INQUIRY mode is the Intelligent Designer because all of us who had the ROSE and DIE, The Design is relocated in an INFINITESIMAL particle and brings back or new form life be it amimate or inamimate objects – Recycling with a blend of known, new and unknown information as needed to the soceity in a given time. I consider the TIME and SPACE are of Biological Components / Algorithm than of physical ones. As you conceptualise the Computer Coding: 101010…. to Biological Coding: AT GC … I opine that the SPACE between the codes, letters, elements, molecules, electrons, (the lifetrons !?!) or even the subatomics or sub…sub –trons and the TIME by which is created decides the forms or speciation or futher Super Intelligentia, which is in a continuum.

Ira says:
May 31, 2010 at 11:27 pm

Perry,
I am very much interested in your conception of the genetic code as an indication of intelligence. I am a philosopher who has been looking for a testable way of demonstrating intelligence in the processes of nature and have published a work, The Concept of Intelligence (University Press of America) readily available at Amazon.com, Barnes&Noble, etc. which lays down what I call the criteria of intelligence and its contrasts. I may be wrong but I think it is the missing ingredient in your dialogue between yourself and your objectors. Armed with a clear definition of intelligence, I believe you could strengthen your case for the genetic code exhibiting all the criteria of intelligent activity. The missing ingredient in my work has been finding examples of intelligent process in nature. Now, I think I may have found it in your conception of the genetic code. I believe the combination of your view and mine would lead to a highly specific set of testable scientific hypotheses with predictive value.
I am not an orthodox believer however, meaning I don’t subscribe to any of the tenets of any organized religion. I am agnostic with regard to traditional depictions of a personal god. My view is that we should allow the methods and procedures of the sciences determine whether nature displays intelligence in its operations or not. I am however working on the hunch that it does and if so it would support a view closer to that of pantheism. I would urge you to take a look at my book and let me know what you think.

Perry Marshall says:
July 1, 2010 at 10:45 pm

I ordered the book. Perhaps we can converse more after I’ve looked thru it.

kincadeda says:
July 13, 2010 at 3:36 pm

Ira:

I don’t really understand the problem:

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Every cell of every organism displays intelligent process no? Every organism as well, no?

What ‘s the problem?

DAK

fredd says:
June 16, 2010 at 9:26 am

I have a problem with the primary assumption of this website, and it is not “intelligent design” at all. I do think the universe has been constructed by an Intelligence, and that Intelligence is something we do not have the ability to fathom. My problem, and the moderators are very careful about this, being honest people, is that people assume that if there is an Intelligence, it MUST be the Christian conception of God, and continue to place humankind as the center of such a being’s focus, intent and reason for being. I propose that man is not so special, that squirrels are run over by cars and die of disease, and that we are run over by cars and die of disease…. I believe in Intelligent design, but that cannot and does not mean it, whatever IT is, is the Christian God…that is a mere convenience for patting ourselves on the back for being ourselves. Is it really important, in the way we trat each other, in the way we conduct our families and friends, in the way we conduct our lives…is it really important that we think we are the best thing in the universe? Hogwash! We are children of the universe, not masters of it.

kincadeda says:
July 13, 2010 at 3:33 pm

Fredd:

Does Perry say that anywhere? This is certainly a good point, and certainly it DOES seem that the language used often trys to appeal to the Christian concept.

I certainly agree with your point overall. Try this on for size:

1.) Assume the universe is holographic and holograms are pervasive within it.
2.) Now we can move along and learn a LOT about everything from any piece within it.
3.) So let’s look at the human: There is the cell level, the tissue level, the organ level, etc. and the whole human. Each level “controls” and yet doesn’t control each lower level and each level “feeds back” to each other level. Each unit is a piece of the whole and yet “separate” and distinct.

Soooooo……… You are a liver cell and “god” is like the “person”. So, does the “person” watch over you like the Christian God???

DAK

GMEstes1 says:
August 8, 2010 at 5:38 pm

You really should apply your talents some other place; I suppose this is a break from the world of writing computer programs.

I can assure you after death there is nothing, good or bad. Just nothing…to me nothing had possed a problem until the discovery of anti-matter. In death there isn’t even anti-matter. A persons spirit lives in the lives of the living not the dead. I keep my former friends and relatives alive in spirit as I knew them.
For example the Christian Bible is a composite of metaphors and embellished stories for interest.

mire says:
August 28, 2010 at 2:27 am

hi pery iam ageat fan,
but i’ve got aquestion you said you are a believer but the bible says God made man inhis image ,he just made it ,but science says as you also accept we are here after passing throught alot of processes(austrolopiticus,homo habilus……) do you believe this is true, if so how do you match it with genenesis.

Perry Marshall says:
August 28, 2010 at 9:34 am

See http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/genesis1/ particularly verse 26 and 27. In Genesis 2 it says “God breathed the breath of life into man and he became a living being.” An animal-like creature is given a spirit. Thus the huge difference between man and all other creatures.

mire says:
September 1, 2010 at 6:03 am

so you’re saying we are the extentions of animals(we come from them throught evolution) then we earned the sprit of God and that is the only reason that makes us different.

Johan says:
November 28, 2010 at 12:05 pm

I couldn’t find any referral to the the Craig Venter Institute’s recent achievement.
Some atheists regard it as another blew to Christianity but in my view it is another scientific achievement that supports Perry’s hypothesis. It proved beyond doubt that DNA is a code . It also proved that DNA is able to code for any type or form of information. It is even able to store the names of the names of the relevant researchers etc.

Here is a quote from the the best open abstract summary I could find about there achievement. that is not password protected :
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As in the team’s 2008 publication in which they described the successful synthesis of the M. genitalium genome, they designed and inserted into the genome what they called watermarks. These are specifically designed segments of DNA that use the “alphabet” of genes and proteins that enable the researcher to spell out words and phrases. The watermarks are an essential means to prove that the genome is synthetic and not native, and to identify the laboratory of origin. Encoded in the watermarks is a new DNA code for writing words, sentences and numbers. In addition to the new code there is a web address to send emails to if you can successfully decode the new code, the names of 46 authors and other key contributors and three quotations: “TO LIVE, TO ERR, TO FALL, TO TRIUMPH, TO RECREATE LIFE OUT OF LIFE.” – JAMES JOYCE; “SEE THINGS NOT AS THEY ARE, BUT AS THEY MIGHT BE.”-A quote from the book, “American Prometheus”; “WHAT I CANNOT BUILD, I CANNOT UNDERSTAND.” – RICHARD FEYNMAN.”

The link
http://www.jcvi.org/cms/press/press-releases/full-text/article/first-self-replicating-synthetic-bacterial-cell-constructed-by-j-craig-venter-institute-researcher/

Absolute proof of the coding abilities of DNA

I am a Gynecologist and an amateur Java programmer . The similarities between object orientated computing and DNA is amazing.

Continue the good work

Johan

Perry Marshall says:
November 29, 2010 at 10:54 pm

Johan,

GREAT post!

I’m going to re-publish this as a blog post.

Thanks,

Perry

GMEstes1 says:
November 29, 2010 at 11:33 pm

I enjoyed reading about trace genes, repressed genes that sit idle if needed to repair genes bacteria either destory or develop, and bacteria that form R and DNA.
Bacteria development is a miracle of God. Unfortunately gene development isn’t perfectly healthy.
There are hosts of genetic mal-developments.

Being an OBYGN I’m sure you are well aquanted with bacteria.

Pentecostal teach baptist in the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in another tongue. I call that a heavenly language or code and interrupted as interpretation is given from God.

If science could see God develop genes A G C T and pair them into specific functions we could only praise the power of God.

Fortunately we know combinations of genes and their roll in cellular production. Everything does concentrate around the white body cell and the heart carrying life giving nutrient to body organs.

It is truely amazing how the body works as a whole.

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